Duncan Donuts 3:51 Sat Jan 11
Re: ⚽ Sheff Utd v West Ham - Official Match Thread

NS,

Nobody seems to be picking up on the fact that after Haller nodded the ball on to Snodgrass the latter attempted to flick the ball over Egan who raised his arm and deflected the ball into the path of Rice (and it was then Egan who headed the ball onto Rice's arm).

The ref was about 8 yards away and must have seen the original handball but presumably played the advantage...

goose 3:44 Sat Jan 11
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And Rice did his job by getting his body across him. He can’t put his hands behind his back.

You could say the defenders header was poor and he’s headed it into Rice.

Northern Sold 3:40 Sat Jan 11
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Dean Ashton had an interesting take on the handball incident... said the Sheffield Utd defender had done his job with a clearing header... and it had been stopped by Rice's hand... so although harsh it was the correct decision... have to be honest as soon as you saw it in slow motion last night it was guaranteed to get over turned with what had been going on this season...

Duncan Donuts 3:39 Sat Jan 11
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simon s.

"VAR wasn’t the main problem though. It’s just there to spot a ridiculous rule that was probably set up by clowns who’ve never played the game. Said on the radio that the rule is due to be reviewed, and if there is any sense it will go back to what it was before."

Funnily enough simon I emailed the IFAB this morning stating that the handball rule 'seems to have been created by someone with little understanding of the dynamics of open play in football.'

I received a very prompt response from former top ref David Elleray who said -
"The current wording for handball was produced by a panel of current and former players, coaches and referees for (sp. from?) across the world and, in general, is well received, although there will always be some marginal situations which may disappoint people."

Bishopsfinger 3:35 Sat Jan 11
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NJ

Agree we would have gone down by many but that’s mainly due to Fabianski unfortunately he’s now injured.

New Jersey 3:31 Sat Jan 11
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As much as we were shit last night, I can't help thinking if Pellegrini had been in charge we would have lost 4 nil, as our lot just wouldn't have fancied a cold, Friday night match in that shit hole called Sheffield!

Went there a few months back for an 'evening with Paolo Di Canio', fuck me Sheffield city centre leaves a lot to be desired!

zico 3:17 Sat Jan 11
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The Law Makers are slowly but surely losing sight of what football is all about and that's goals. The offside law as it stands with the implementation of VAR chalks off plenty of goals. Accidental handball in an attacking sense = no goal. Accidental handball by a defender = no penalty = no goal. All three = Less goals.

The irony is if handball was still like last year where a handball had to be deemed deliberate then VAR would be a great tool. Past disgraces such as Maradona or Henry would be justifiably chalked off but last nights was just a prime example of how wrong the new rule is. As far as I can remember not one Sheffield United player claimed for a handball (I may be wrong).

Likewise with offside. With VAR now in place if the "daylight" rule was brought back in VAR would a good tool because it would clearly show daylight rather than a toe or finger!!

nychammer 3:04 Sat Jan 11
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If we see one single inconsistent application of the accidental handball rule that leads to a goal, and they let that goal stand, we should sue the FA for game manipulation.

That decision could have us bottom three by tomorrow and cost us dearly.

Mr Anon 2:57 Sat Jan 11
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So an attacking cannot handle the ball accidentally to score a goal, but a defender can handle it accidentally and prevent a goal/not concede a penalty.

VARs not the issue here, they've made a complete mess of the rules

El Scorchio 2:53 Sat Jan 11
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One Mac. It’s already happened that way with Liverpool this season.

You can call it paranoid if you like but it’s still all subjective decisions with handball and foul play and it’s not being applied consistently across the division. That’s an undeniable fact. Only offside is now 100% objectively applied with VAR.

Would Liverpool have got the penalty decision we were denied against Southampton as well? One Hundred Percent every day of the week.

JOHNNY V 2:52 Sat Jan 11
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Lertie Button 1:18 Sat Jan 11
Re: ⚽ Sheff Utd v West Ham - Official Match Thread
OK what the fuck is a "training goalkeeper" anyway

One used in training sessions only

nychammer 2:40 Sat Jan 11
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Until we get reinforcements in key positions, any manager will have trouble getting consistent results our of that squad. It’s been neglected season after season and we’ve instead often misspent whatever was made available on players who aren’t up to it or we don’t need.
Doesn’t seem like we’re about to either, so relegation remains a real possibility

Full Claret Jacket 2:19 Sat Jan 11
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VAR isn't a problem in general but the bigger issue is what it's being used for.
Stupid marginal offsides which offer no advantage or cannot even be 100% accurate, handballs that just aren't avoidable. All this whilst diving, the grabbing and fouling at set plays is totally dismissed and ignored.
Lost count of the penalties we should have had, those that should be given against us and the lack of clamping down on obvious simulation.

VAR wasn't the deciding factor yesterday as some of our 'better' players wasted opportunities due to poor finishing or decision making.
If you don't punish mistakes then you don't get anything. They punished ours, should have had a second (good stop by Martin).

Our football isn't pretty, we have a weak midfield which needs addressing and the goal keeping department is a concern. January is an opportunity to help address some of those gaps so I hope some decent business is done.

El Scorchio 2:14 Sat Jan 11
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Bloody hell. I just saw the ‘handball’.

What a ridiculous decision. What on Earth can he do about that? If that’s coming off a Liverpool or Man U arm then it’s never going to be disallowed.

southbankbornnbred 1:27 Sat Jan 11
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HappyG - we've had a few of those players down the years!

happygilmore 1:27 Sat Jan 11
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Lertie,

A training goalkeeper to me is like one of them cardboard cut out players, used for defensive walls etc.

southbankbornnbred 1:26 Sat Jan 11
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And MESSAGE TO DAVID MOYES:

You always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS have a substitute forward on the bench.

ALWAYS.

You have seven substitutes available to you in any Premier League game. Seven.

I don't care if you have to drag a sixteeen year old out of the youth set up to fill the spot. Never, ever go into games without an extra forward as an option.

We desperately need to sign a striker. If Haller gets injured we are royally fucked.

factory seconds 1:25 Sat Jan 11
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never thought we'd get anything out of this under sleepy manuel but i actually think we got them on a bit of an off day and still could barely muster a threat.

moyes batting par for the course so far.

AKA ERNIE 1:21 Sat Jan 11
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mike yep spot on

unfortunately our cunt owners yet again fuck west ham fans up the arse and thd usual fuckwits just accept it

Athletico Easthamico 1:21 Sat Jan 11
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I'd be more concerned with the feeble finishes from Haller Anderdson and Lanzini.

Lertie Button 1:18 Sat Jan 11
Re: ⚽ Sheff Utd v West Ham - Official Match Thread

OK what the fuck is a "training goalkeeper" anyway

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